Bagels at a Bar mitzvah Part II

kraftykrab

LoanSafe Member
Clerical error vs Substantial Error

Not innocent and correctable, but affects substantial rights according to law.
Just remember, judges are typically going to pose the question of how the error harmed you. More often than not, unless the error is specific and there's a specific law or statute that deals with that exact situation, the court will tend to overlook such errors without you showing that the error caused legit harm...
 

moretrouble

LoanSafe Member
Hi All,

Still here. I have a new substituted Plaintiff in my 11-1/2 year old fraudclosure:

U.S. BANK NATIONAL ASSOCIATION, NOT IN ITS
INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY BUT SOLELY AS OWNER TRUSTEE OF NEW
RESIDENTIAL MORTGAGE LOAN TRUST 2020-NPL2,

However, the AOM says US BANK TRUST. Court sees the discrepancy and points it out to Plaintiff Banksters. Haven't heard back from them since. See attached:
NPL stands for Non-Performing Loans.
Your old trust must have been called-out and terminated and now the new owner of your loan is NewRez as it as master-servicer, has the rights to pay off the remaining certificate holders and become the owner of the loans that were in the trust. Request for the transaction history and the mortgage schedule of the old trust. They probably used the same scheme "paying the loans in the old trust at paid-down balances (my case $169K), and trying to foreclose on you for market value (my case $631K).

Anybody with NewRez foreclosing on , please keep in touch.
We could start a class action on wrongful foreclosures and make its market cap at $5.9B come down close to that of Ocwen (now Onity group) at $180mill (Ocwen used to be at $6.6B). That's is my wish.
 

cookiemom

LoanSafe Member
NPL stands for Non-Performing Loans.
Your old trust must have been called-out and terminated and now the new owner of your loan is NewRez as it as master-servicer, has the rights to pay off the remaining certificate holders and become the owner of the loans that were in the trust. Request for the transaction history and the mortgage schedule of the old trust. They probably used the same scheme "paying the loans in the old trust at paid-down balances (my case $169K), and trying to foreclose on you for market value (my case $631K).

Anybody with NewRez foreclosing on , please keep in touch.
We could start a class action on wrongful foreclosures and make its market cap at $5.9B come down close to that of Ocwen (now Onity group) at $180mill (Ocwen used to be at $6.6B). That's is my wish.
Keep me posted for sure. Mine was put on "hold" because I got a news reporter involved. Although I just recieved the standard loss mitigation packet mailed over to me.
 

cookiemom

LoanSafe Member
Still trying to find a ruling that a bk accelerates a heloc.

Also, the way my attorney submitted my documents, it's almost as if it was approved fir the heloc to be partially unsecured. Qould the trustee require that to be revised before final discharge? I know in chapter 7 lien stripping was not allowed but that definitely ruling did not occur till 2015. My bk was in 2008
 

Survivor_IN

LoanSafe Member
Still trying to find a ruling that a bk accelerates a heloc.

Also, the way my attorney submitted my documents, it's almost as if it was approved fir the heloc to be partially unsecured. Qould the trustee require that to be revised before final discharge? I know in chapter 7 lien stripping was not allowed but that definitely ruling did not occur till 2015. My bk was in 2008
Here's a start. I found a slew of cases searching,
"Can bankruptcy accelerate a note?"
It appears this is contract-dependent and most likely related to commercial acceleration and insurance triggers and redemption rights. Sure they can argue or not that this accelerates but in my opinion, it does not change the default date (last payment). It all depends on the acceleration clause and if a bankruptcy is a trigger in the contract. You may find more. I can't say it definitely applies to heloc or consumer notes. I've also found some FHA servicing guides (100s of pps) that do reference certain lender procedures on put backs, etc. Some information may be useful for comparison but there are many variables. I have not gone in here too deep. It appears, again, NY law controls a lot of these things. I'm back to putting out fires. :)

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Survivor_IN

LoanSafe Member
One thing to consider is if the lender waived its rights by not taking action. There are defenses if it becomes an issue. (such as does not apply) From what I'm seeing, this is dependant on the language in the contract, so maybe getting this would be worthy of review. Hopefully any request won't be kicking a sleeping giant but it would be my first step if a lawsuit is filed. Discovery requests if there is an action.
 

Survivor_IN

LoanSafe Member
TILA and Regulation Z Limitations
The requirements for HELOCs are contained in Section 1026.40 of Regulation Z. Regulation Z limits a creditor’s ability to suspend or reduce a HELOC credit limit. A creditor may only prohibit additional extensions of credit or reduce the credit limit applicable to a HELOC during a period in which one of the following conditions exists:
  • The value of the dwelling declines significantly below the dwelling’s appraised value for purposes of the HELOC;
  • The creditor reasonably believes that the borrower will be unable to fulfill the repayment obligations under the HELOC because of a material change in the borrower’s financial circumstances; or
  • The borrower is in default of any material obligation under the agreement.1
Regulation Z prohibits creditors from imposing a fee to reinstate the HELOC when the condition no longer exists. Further, the creditor may not reduce the credit limit below the amount of the outstanding balance if this would require the borrower to make a higher payment. In addition to the limitations in Regulation Z, the terms of the HELOC agreement will control and must provide for a right to reduce the credit limit or suspend the HELOC if these conditions exist.

 

cookiemom

LoanSafe Member
One thing to consider is if the lender waived its rights by not taking action. There are defenses if it becomes an issue. (such as does not apply) From what I'm seeing, this is dependant on the language in the contract, so maybe getting this would be worthy of review. Hopefully any request won't be kicking a sleeping giant but it would be my first step if a lawsuit is filed. Discovery requests if there is an action.
Yes. The language within my agreement is tricky. I read a case that a judge in MI calls out the they MAY accelerate...which is why I then started researching it the pooling service agreement would then govern their actions more. As that is more cut and dry. Which would then fall under new york trust laws...

Here is what it states in my note:


Page 1.
After the draw period (60 months) I will no longer be able to obtain loans and then must pay the outstanding balance over the specified repayment period unless my account is sooner terminated under paragraph 12.B below, in which case my account is due and payable in full at the time of such termination. The repayment period shall be 180 Months (15 yrs).

12. A
You rights to temporarily suspend my loans or reduce my credit limit.

You may take the actions listed in paragraph 12B below during the period that any of the following events or conditions occur.
The value of the real property declines significantly below the appraised value for the purposes of my account
You reasonably believe that I will not be able to meet the repayment requirements under my account due to a material change in my financial circumstances, such as the filling of a bankruptcy petition by or against me.
I am in default of any material obligations of this agreement, such as my important obligations listed in paragraph 14.
If an event or condition describe in 12a occurs which is also an event or condition in 13a. below your rights and remedies described under 13b below apply and supercede your rights in paragrah12


13. Your rights to terminate and accelerate my account and take other actions.

A. you maybe take actions listed in paragraph b low if any of the following events or conditions occur.

1. I fail to meet the repayment terms

4. I fail to maintain insurance on the real property (when the 1st start the foreclosure they paid the city taxes and added insurance to the property – which I had to pay back)

5 . I act or fail to act and as a result, a lien senior to the lien of the mortgage is filed against the real property

8. a prior lienholder on the property begins foreclosure

10. I fail to pay taxes
 

Survivor_IN

LoanSafe Member
[URL='https://www.loansafe.org/forum/goto/post?id=554499' said:
moretrouble said:[/URL]
Another one , hot off the press. I’ll send my complaint to counsels of this case too.
https://www.nclc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Hodges-v.-NewRez-Class-Action-Complaint.pdf
By the way , I use AI chat bot to find case
I actually have been in contact with the Kelly firm listed on here to do a case reviewI
Chatbot? lol. Musk just tried to buy that one!
Folks I'm trying to stop the heightened harassment over in my corner. Lotsa violations on bankruptcy discharge and FDCPA. Five times more than usual. They are intentionally interfering with the appeal and taking moves seeking any valid reason to dismiss, before the briefs can be submitted. I am in the middle of reviewing case files for certification. The appeal just resumed after lenders last attempt to dismiss based on the chats. The arguments are convoluted. The appeal judge made me answer. I felt like I was doing a college final with all the recitations. I succeeded at overcoming this attempt. Recently got approval to resume.

Of course they want to interfere with procedural steps and make me miss deadlines. That's what harrassment is for!

No luck trying to get the former foreclosure attorney judge off the case. It can only be done if she self-recuses. I have already had one recusal on a complaint and a new master commissioner was assigned. Chief judge is refusing to hear the new complaint and reasons to restrain contact. There is no consideration of seriousness as I've already had the "one and done" allowing removal or assignment to "special" judges.

This is a total screw-over because its a black mark on me to the judiciary. I followed the procedure outlined for this specifc situation. This is a current crisis affecting my safety. Plus, reporting false information materially affects me. Its a pattern for them (judges dealing w pro se) to pretend they dont have an obligation to judge accordingly and apply the law. They see it as frivolous where it is pro se or an active case, inherently tossed out by protocol due to the limitation of "one only" rule. This "rule" does not deny a second action (as they are inferring) but it provides a first action without need for proof. I need an attorney on some of these more advanced moves cause they are quashing me.

They must really be afraid of having this case heard on appeal. They are using dirty tricks and timing the stalking and attempts to break and enter...to key procedural notices to distract and alarm me. I can't get a restraining order because the foreclosure judge is pissed off she is under appeal. Chief Judge requiring me to use her, meaning I would be appealing orders to get relief. I know 100 percent she would refuse. Another outrageous PHH action was to file a 1099 on me for the sale price as income. This is a bankruptcy discharge violation and is not lawful. But. It will bight me in my ass and is a way to harass me in the future. Very devious and retaliatory.
 

Survivor_IN

LoanSafe Member
Yes. The language within my agreement is tricky.
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Hi Cookiemom!
As always take this advice for what it's worth because it's free. lol
Consider me a pseudo-paralegal resource but not an attorney.

This is what I see as the crux of lender's rights parsing this contract language ...

"Which would then fall under new york trust laws... "
HMMM...yes but with caveats
This is logical if it is a means to obtain or define rights in your favor. They could or would argue it doesn't apply or you have no standing to argue it. This does not mean it, in fact "does not apply," but its always an available argument. (keep this in your own toolbox as a defense) NY law has consumer protections or other laws, however, which may prevail because it is "the law of the contract" in the state in which it is made.

An aside...Right now there is a battle on state law from NY to LA. It's a battle over a doctor mailing mifepristone. Which state has authority over this doctor? This is illegal in LA but not in NY. Doctor lives in NY. We shall see how this turns out. It could set a precedent. I'm really fearing these test cases going to SCOTUS.The closing of CFPB is going to be a free for all on unregulated fraud. We are underdogs here and this does not help us. Republican friends are saying "oh, that's not going to happen," trying to reassure, but that's another convo. (no offense, I do appreciate other's perspectives, especially educated ones)

Most investors require action and acceleration on "material" events in their servicing of the trusts.

This a generally a part of the servicing agreement. If they don't do it or if they breach material terms like this, then the servicer is in default. Yes these are in the original the PSA. However. This can be amended and some were done to allow exemptions for HAMP or as a separate filing maybe SEC related. Many sales, transfers and new agreements as well. Lots of relationships to define and some even specifically discard the old ones no longer in effect. Original PSA on older trusts does not always apply on certain things, they can file an amendment somewhere to update.

There were lawsuits back and forth between investors, trustees and servicers during the hey day of the Great Recession. (as we all know) With all the passing around you may find references and artifacts (beware of the rabbit hole) of a related filing, such as a POA (power of attorney) somewhere by, let's say, PHH or NewRez, from the "investor" or "trustee" of their rights and duties in servicing. Maybe in land records or SOS. (Secretary of State filing) You can even cross-reference these and search for your trust or the trustee for the current years to narrow. My State is free and easy but other states may require hoops such as sign up and charge your credit card. I noticed a substantial increase of filing and refiling activity on these mortgage POAs this past year. They are using title agencies for reporting these. (an anon resource) Appears homeowners picked up a few rights on it and they are covering bases. It's a means to quash the argument on a servicer who has not provided proof in court that it is a legal agent with a valid relationship to the trust. This worked for awhile with some success, especially on invalidating the affiants and affidavits used. It's becoming a dated claim along with not receiving the notice of default. However, condition precedent claims can still be valid in certain conditions so don't automatically toss this one.

Regarding note language...

12. A
They did this first: temporarily suspend my loans or reduce my credit limit.
because of this "during the period that any of the following events or conditions"
-the value of the real property declines ..below...value...of my account
and
- a material change in my financial circumstances, such as bankruptcy'

I am in default under unmet obligations listed in paragraph 14.
(I don't see 14 in here, but don't think it matters... moving on)

Here we go,
If 12a occurs and is also an event in 13a...then 13b below applies
(12a convoluted to say it does not apply, go to 13b)

WHAT THIS MEANS IN ACCELERATION - 12a is basic first step that closes account and rescinds credit limits and use - would be typical to include IMHO for a HELOC because the balance might fluctuate with usage. Credit limit is tied to There can possibly be a cure if you can pay off and/or otherwise, "pay to play" and return to good standing. This has not happened. You are now in 13b and legal "rights of lender" section.

THIS PART HERE IS WHAT MATTERS IN YOUR SITUATION

13b (lender) rights to terminate and accelerate my account and take other actions
contains the "material" reasons

This applies to you:
8. a prior lienholder on the property begins foreclosure

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Termination rights are usually demanded by lender to servicer on "certain conditions" and this would be one that is logical and typical or otherwise the servicer would be in breach. I can not say for sure any thing specific did or did not happen, but it might be an argument to make requiring them to deny (does not apply lol) if it is something that could give you rights.
 

kraftykrab

LoanSafe Member
I cannot agree that closing the CFPB will open the floodgates on fraud. Look through the history. NO ONE was deterred by the CFPB....NO ONE. When the CFPB finally did act, the penalty was so small in comparison to the profit these crooks would make that the fines essentially just became part of the cost of doing business. Come on, think about it....look at these examples of CFPB action regarding mortgage or foreclosure fraud:

AMERISAVE:

Total penalties, close to $16.3 million. Amerisave has over $500 million in annual revenue:

So why would they be deterred in spending $16 million to make over $500 million a year?

FAY SERVICING:

Total penalty, $1.15 million. The lowest report I found for their annual revenue puts them at about $137 million per year. The highest puts them over $500 million.

FLAGSTAR BANK:

Total penalty, $37.5 million. In just the 4th quarter of 2017 alone, their NET revenue was over $137 million. They hit over $100 million in NET revenue, not even gross revenue, every quarter that year.


This is proof positive that the penalties are so small that there's no actual deterrent from the CFPB anyway. The pretenders stand to make so much more using illegal tactics than they will ever be made to forfeit as a result of using illegal tactics. The CFPB never had any real teeth. And that's only IF they decide to take action against one of the pretenders....how many complaints are in the CFPB system that they never acted upon?
 

cookiemom

LoanSafe Member
Rising from the Dead: Tackling Zombie Second Mortgages
Zombie second mortgages are loans that have been dormant for years, with little or no communication with the borrower, that resurface threating to foreclose unless the loan, plus interest and fees, are paid off in full. This webinar will look at how and zombie second mortgages emerge and what advocates can do to help borrowers. We will examine real-life fact patterns and strategies that have worked to help keep borrowers in their homes. Participants will break into small groups to review a hypothetical and strategize solutions.
 

Survivor_IN

LoanSafe Member
This is proof positive that the penalties are so small that there's no actual deterrent from the CFPB anyway. The pretenders stand to make so much more using illegal tactics than they will ever be made to forfeit as a result of using illegal tactics. The CFPB never had any real teeth. And that's only IF they decide to take action against one of the pretenders....how many complaints are in the CFPB system that they never acted upon?
I think the penalties should be at least 5%.

Maybe they aren't a deterrent *now.* I do know their funding is cut under different presidents and that effects their effectiveness because they either delay or just don't prosecute according to funding. I think they took the complaints down under Tump last time. They were back up last I checked this past year but most of the data was knocked out. Its like Ocwen managed to remove its name and this was before PHH came along. They were making headway with monitoring but those days are gone.

I do think these the laws need oversite and teeth. The climate changed on it.

However, the mortgage servicing rules aid my affirmative counter-claims and have definitely helped others moving forward. We needed those badly and just implementing them was a warning and they stopped certain practices investigating of those complaints that are now missing, but that progress came with lawsuits, settlements and monitoring. Now we have the conditions precedent, pre-foreclosure at 6 months, and have defined applying payments in spite of a late fee or bogus charges and rules for removing forced placed insurance.

CFPB did identify the unfair practices and made rules to address them. Now this may not benefit me or you because we already went through the "we want your house" foreclosure funnel of the great recession. CFpB didn't finalize and implement the MS rules until 2014. That was mainly due to financial services lobby needing or wanting delays, cause, you know, MONEY.

I'm just glad we (the law and US) got some precedent on servicing and modifications before the pandemic. They had already done it and made improvements this time around.
 

kraftykrab

LoanSafe Member
I think the penalties should be at least 5%.

Maybe they aren't a deterrent *now.* I do know their funding is cut under different presidents and that effects their effectiveness because they either delay or just don't prosecute according to funding. I think they took the complaints down under Tump last time. They were back up last I checked this past year but most of the data was knocked out. Its like Ocwen managed to remove its name and this was before PHH came along. They were making headway with monitoring but those days are gone.

I do think these the laws need oversite and teeth. The climate changed on it.

However, the mortgage servicing rules aid my affirmative counter-claims and have definitely helped others moving forward. We needed those badly and just implementing them was a warning and they stopped certain practices investigating of those complaints that are now missing, but that progress came with lawsuits, settlements and monitoring. Now we have the conditions precedent, pre-foreclosure at 6 months, and have defined applying payments in spite of a late fee or bogus charges and rules for removing forced placed insurance.

CFPB did identify the unfair practices and made rules to address them. Now this may not benefit me or you because we already went through the "we want your house" foreclosure funnel of the great recession. CFpB didn't finalize and implement the MS rules until 2014. That was mainly due to financial services lobby needing or wanting delays, cause, you know, MONEY.

I'm just glad we (the law and US) got some precedent on servicing and modifications before the pandemic. They had already done it and made improvements this time around.
But I think you still missed the point. CFPB makes RULES, they cannot make LAWS. So, the CFPB was still the only entity that had any authority to pursue action based on their rules. And if you look at the complaints they received, they acted on next to none of them. So, right there, most of us have been hung out to dry.

And then, what happens when they do get a consent judgment? One, it only affects that one servicer or pretender. This is useless for everyone else because, without a law to point to, 100% of the other pretenders can keep on violating that same rule with no actual consequences. But then again, when they do get a consent judgment, even the one pretender they caught with it is often found later on to still be continuing the same rule violations and they get a mere slap on the wrist when they get caught--IF they get caught.

But perhaps the biggest wrong that the CFPB has put on all of us is this--in every consent judgment, the offending pretender NEVER has to be held accountable. They ALWAYS refuse to admit any wrongdoing, and the CFPB allows it just to get money in their own pockets. If you look at these consent judgments, they often require the offender to pay some money directly to the CFPB as a penalty. So, they're not in this game for you, me, or anyone else but themselves.

A perfect example of this is Fay Servicing. In 2017, the CFPB issued a consent order against Fay for mulitple violations of laws, including dual tracking, failing to inform borrowers of required protection disclosures and so on. Fay was ordered to stop all illegal foreclosure practices and pay out $1.15 million to borrowers who were affected by these violations:


Seven years later, in 2024, the CFPB found that Fay had not done any of the required changes of operations as stated in the 2017 consent order--it was still violating all the protection laws for homeowners. This time, they ordered Fay to pay $3 million to borrowers, $2 million as a civil penalty to the CFPB, and to invest $2 million to update its internal technology to better be able to comply:


There's no teeth there for Fay, who brought in a total revenue of $137.5 million in just 2023 alone. Giving up $7 million may seem like a lot, but when they have been profiting illegally for 7 years off of these tactics WHILE UNDER CONSENT ORDER, it's just another cost of business to them. Now, the CFPB has TWICE determined that Fay is committing the exact same violations of law to illegally foreclose on homeowners, and yet, they are still able to keep committing those same violations again and again.

We don't need more beaurocracy to hit them with relatively insignificant penalties. We need someone to hold them directly accountable when they break the law--and to stop them from doing so when they show that they have no intention of changing. And the CFPB has actually enabled this to continue. How many of us filed CFPB complaints thinking we were going to get some backing finally?? And how many of us actually did? None. I filed a CFPB complaint and all the servicer needed to do to get the complaint closed was lie. I even produced documentation--the servicer's own, in fact--proving that their response was a lie and the CFPB simply said they responded so we're closing the case. Nothing was ever done. Has anyone here actually gotten a consent order because of a CFPB complaint? Anyone?

Didn't think so.

And that's our tax dollars being wasted. When you look at this from the point of view of, say, a business, it becomes clear that the cost-benefit analysis proves the CFPB is a money drain and nothing more. And while I understand what you're saying about funding, the actual business model for the CFPB prevents them from ever having the teeth they need to accomplish anything. Before their funding was ever cut, they followed the exact same pattern as they have done. The big bank lobby was in it from day one. The CFPB was never going to be allowed to have any real authority--even Elizabeth Warren, who spent lots of time campaigning for the CFPB and speaking about its necessity, in the end, voted against it ever having any real authority. She talks a lot in front of the cameras, sure, but when it's time to actually act, she folded like everyone else did.


In the end, they have determined we all are expendable.
 
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